I’ll start this blog by saying that Etsy is an amazing platform, it can put you in front of millions of people across the world. You can list items pretty quickly and easily compared to some sites and you don’t have to wait to be approved to sell.
Etsy offers you some great guides on SEO and how their search function works. They have a great community forum of experienced sellers who can help you as well as numerous Facebook Groups.
But Etsy isn’t what it once was
In 2015, the same year I joined the platform, Etsy went public. This coincided with the launch of Handmade on Amazon and it found itself competing with eBay more and more. Etsy’s growth wasn’t as big as expected over the next couple of years and in 2017 they ousted their CEO and 8% of their staff.
This bought some major changes to Etsy and the appointment of a new CEO, Josh Silverman, a former eBay executive. The fee to sell was increased and more recently Etsy introduced automatic enrollment into its Offsite Ads. Over the last 3 years, there have been some major changes at Etsy and it has seen a lot of long term sellers leave. It’s been a major adjustment for sellers, many of whom were working at very tight margins trying to compete in this ever-growing world of handmade.
I liked Etsy though, and I still do, a little bit. It is still one of my biggest selling platforms but I am hoping that by the end of 2020, early 2021 this won’t be the case anymore.
I don’t trust Etsy anymore
On the 11th September 2020 at around 9 pm I logged onto Etsy to print off my orders to make that weekend. Just 3 weeks before I had handed in my resignation to my ‘day job’ ready to run my little business full time as of the 18th September, this was largely based on my Etsy sales. I was faced with the following message
YOUR ACCOUNT HAS BEEN SUSPENDED
I am very rarely left speechless, believe me, but I was in a state of shock. Reduced to tears in fact, which is even rarer.
I racked my brain trying to think about what I may have done wrong. I had received an infringement notice back in January 2020 and it was a silly cheeky mistake that I quickly rectified. I had double-checked my 200 or so other listings to make sure they were all OK. I was unable to see my listing as my store was suspended and when I typed my Etsy shop address into Google there was nothing. It was as if I never existed on Etsy.
I checked my emails, nothing there, despite the suspension notice telling me “all the details are in the email we’ve sent you”. I quickly jumped onto the Etsy help pages and searched the forums for info. It seemed, unfortunately, that this wasn’t uncommon. I quickly sent a support request via Etsy Help to ask what was happening. Due to Coronavirus Etsy had suspended its phone lines and live chat so all I could do was sit and wait for a reply.
To say it was the longest week of my life was an understatement. But I have some awesome online friends who kept me going and supported me massively. I was one of the luckier ones in this situation because
I had a website
With the help of Vicki Jakes of Hey Vicki Jakes I’ve spent the last year or so building my website, working on SEO, and dipping my toe into the world of Facebook Ads.
My website was starting to build momentum and it had generated more income than Etsy a few times although nothing consistent. I knew I needed to up my game if I wanted to replace the Etsy income. We worked on a strategy of getting more products onto the website ASAP and put all my savings into running a Christmas Pre-Order sale to generate some income. I employed someone to do my product descriptions to help even further with SEO.
I was relieved I had another place that I could drive traffic to. I had some messages through my Facebook page from Etsy customers looking for me and I was able to direct them to the website.
Finally a reply
A week later, almost to the minute, I received an email from Etsy legal. My Etsy shop had been closed due to “multiple notices of infringement about your shop, or a shop associated with you”. I was gobsmacked, I’d not received any emails about any infringements since that one back in January. I just didn’t know what to do. I immediately penned an appeal and fired it off to Etsy.
A week later when I checked to see if there was a reply to my appeal I found it had been closed without a response. It was so frustrating, especially as Etsy wrote an article about not shutting shops down without a right to appeal here only back in February. I resent the email asking for someone to look at my appeal and at least tell me what I had done wrong. I was more than happy to hold my hands up and walk away if I had done something wrong but the not knowing was so frustrating.
Another week passed… I was spotting a theme. The email I got back was much shorter than the first. Your shop is shut, nothing more you can do, don’t contact us again.
WTAF???
Seriously Etsy? A seller who has been with you for over 5 years, just passed 2500 sales, 300+ 5 star reviews, and no cases against them – ever. You just shut their shop without warning, ignore their appeal, and basically tell them go fuck themselves.
Excuse my language but now I was angry! Who do they think they are? I pay them a lot of money (nearly £2k in 2019) to sell with them. I accepted all the major changes they’d made, jumped through their new hoops, and was happily enrolled in Offsite Ads. And in return, they shut my shop without warning.
I didn’t know what to do next, I just needed to know why! I was pissed! A friend recommended I put in a Subject Access Request (SAR), asking for all details about any infringements received by Etsy about my shop since Jan 2020. Thankfully the ICO website has lots of info and a template you can use that helps with this. I dutifully sent it off to Etsy legal with a timescale of 30 days and focused on getting traffic through my website.
I also reactivated my Handmade on Amazon account and started adding listings, I was determined to get my products all over the internet! I was confident that I could replace the Etsy income. It is also going to cost me a bit more, I do factor marketing into my costs but Etsy is a relatively cheap platform for the number of people you can reach.
On the 9th October, a full 4 weeks since my shop was shut (and weirdly almost to the minute again) my shop was reinstated. I received an apology from Etsy. A computer glitch apparently. Nothing wrong with my store and if it happened again (OMG it could happen AGAIN???) to get in touch with them. It’s funny, now I’m actually writing this down, my shop wasn’t shut that long. But it felt like an age!
But it wasn’t over…
What about my Money?
When my shop was suspended my funds were frozen in case any customers opened a case, Etsy would (I assume) just refund them. You’d think that by reinstating my shop I’d be able to draw down the money in my account?
How wrong I was.
It was another 2 weeks before they finally allowed me to get my money. During that time I sent several emails to Etsy Legal and even managed to get hold of them on the phone (of course they couldn’t help me – “it’s with the legal team”). I made mention of compensation in my emails, perhaps some advertising credit for all the money I’d lost? Not only was I out of pocket from my usual revenue from Etsy but they had held my money, earning interest on it, for over 7 weeks.
But of course, they don’t offer compensation whilst a shop is suspended, despite it not being my fault and entirely theirs.
To say this was the final nail in the coffin for Etsy would be an understatement.
My Message to You
I’m guessing you’re here because you have an Etsy shop or are thinking of opening one. If you take anything away from this please let it be
Get yourself a website!
Your website you control, no one can just take it away from you (unless you don’t pay your bill of course). You can put whatever products you want on there, use any wording, and any images. You don’t have to conform to anyone else.
There are so many different platforms that you can build on and I go into more detail about places where you can sell your items in my blog here.
I would hate for this to happen to you.
But it appears to be quite common, many people I’ve spoken to haven’t been able to get their shops back. I consider myself lucky but I am also aware that this could easily happen again. And not just on Etsy, any sales platform that you use could shut your shop down without warning. As of 2019, there are more than 2.5 million sellers, so what difference does it make to Etsy if your shop goes?
Thank you for reading my story
I’d love to know what you think about this blog post. What are your thoughts on Etsy? Do you have your own website? If I can help at all then please do not hesitate to reach out.
Wow! What an absolute nightmare!! I would have had many a power cry and then raged. I love that you used this to push your business forward in other ways.
I was on Etsy a little earlier and (not being a frequent user) was surprised the the high volume of “mass produced” products available.
It is really a shame, now it takes so much time to find those hidden gems amongst the cheap “charm on a chain” items that people consider handmade. It has lost it’s uniqueness it would appear
I have not used an online seller service but had a few market stalls, I was there for 6 consecutive months and then had one complaint that mine weren’t artisan products, they were happy to take my money to book the stall without any checks or questions , but quick to action and suspend me when someone complained, without checking, I suspect a rival seller, and I support other sellers!!
This must have been such a stressful time for you Emma but on the positive side, your website is now the core of your marketing & advertising and you control it all! Well done for turning things around in such a short space of time ???
I don’t sell handmade but have sold wedding accessories for years and have had similar issues with both Ebay and Amazon. Ebay shut me down a few years ago after selling with them for over 10 yrs and 100% feedback. I was furious to start but then realised their margins were so tight it was a blessing in disguise so I have never persuade it. I concentrated an Amazon instead, and what a mistake that was. I am so disgusted with the way Amazon treat me as a seller after 12 yrs of selling that I have just removed 1000s of products from them including recalling all my FBA stock.
I think all independent sellers should treat these massive cooperates who use boots to run their business with caution.
What an absolute nightmare, Etsy certainly isn’t what it used to be.
Recently I’ve had my shop made “not visible” in searches due to too many open orders (which came from offsite ads) and not dispatching them quick enough despite shipping over 50 orders per week and not going over due! It’s not the 1st issue I’ve had with them and I have My own website now and put 100% into that and use Etsy as a secondary platform.
My biggest issue is that they can just close shops and cut off someone’s income, we are all human beings behind these shops mainly mums just doing our best for our family and when they cut you off it’s devastating financially and more importantly it batters your mental health!
That’s awful. I only use my easy store to offer downloads and have my kindness themed and eco friendly products on kindpreneurs.com and my handmade creations on http://www.consciouscrafties.com
Such a great article Emma and I was following your situation at the time and felt so upset for you. I am also working with Vicki Jakes At Way Out Far on my new website to run alongside my other web site as I totally agree don’t have all your eggs in one basket.
Your friend pointed me to this blog. The same has happened to me. I’m so frustrated I send them a message everyday asking for help! Its been two weeks, I did get one email, it was nothing to do with my suspension and was a general FAQ response. ?. Its been two weeks and like you say, it feels a life time!! I am currently setting up my own site, but so angry with esty especially as my business was just taking off and at this time of year too!! Raaaa
I’m so sorry you are going through this too 🙁 It does feel like such a life time! If I can help at all with your website please feel free to message me
Snap!! I was shut down on the 9th Nov and just had an email in response today, which looks like a bog standard email message. Gutted but afer 4 years, 7000+ sales and healthy 5 star reviews (not too mention the fees) it really does seem that seller support means nothing too them. Such a shame but its definitely been a huge learning step to focus my attention on my own website.
I felt my stomach knot for you whilst reading this! It’s so stressful relying on platforms you can’t control and makes you realise how important your own website (that you manage yourself) is. I don’t sell on Etsy but know many people who do so will be sharing this with them. Thanks for the warning!
Thank you so much for sharing this. Im going through exactly this right now with a shop ive had for over a decade, im in between the tears and the being told shortly to shut up about it by them. Ive been trying to push my website but my income this month has taken a hugggge hit. I honestly thought there was nothing more to do about it i had no idea i could request further. Thank your friend profusely, thats the missing step to getting your shop back i think and i’m going to try it right away.
Hello Natalie, I was so sorry to read your story, as well as everyone else’s.
I had an Etsy store for a while but when all the new changes came in, I found the fees outweighed the profit, so it was no use continuing.
But if you have a large stock & have been with them for some considerable time, I can understand why you want answers.
Have you thought about sending them a solicitor’s letter, informing them that they have a specific time scale to reply to you with all of the details as to why your store was closed.
The might just wake up & pay attention to a Legal letter.
Best of luck. 🙂
Wow! What an absolute nightmare!! I would have had many a power cry and then raged. I love that you used this to push your business forward in other ways.
I was on Etsy a little earlier and (not being a frequent user) was surprised the the high volume of “mass produced” products available.
Lots of changes for the consumer too.
It is really a shame, now it takes so much time to find those hidden gems amongst the cheap “charm on a chain” items that people consider handmade. It has lost it’s uniqueness it would appear
I have not used an online seller service but had a few market stalls, I was there for 6 consecutive months and then had one complaint that mine weren’t artisan products, they were happy to take my money to book the stall without any checks or questions , but quick to action and suspend me when someone complained, without checking, I suspect a rival seller, and I support other sellers!!
I know only use my own website!!
That’s so terrible, that’s the beauty of our own websites – we are in charge!
This must have been such a stressful time for you Emma but on the positive side, your website is now the core of your marketing & advertising and you control it all! Well done for turning things around in such a short space of time ???
I am so grateful to have had my website during this time!
I don’t sell handmade but have sold wedding accessories for years and have had similar issues with both Ebay and Amazon. Ebay shut me down a few years ago after selling with them for over 10 yrs and 100% feedback. I was furious to start but then realised their margins were so tight it was a blessing in disguise so I have never persuade it. I concentrated an Amazon instead, and what a mistake that was. I am so disgusted with the way Amazon treat me as a seller after 12 yrs of selling that I have just removed 1000s of products from them including recalling all my FBA stock.
I think all independent sellers should treat these massive cooperates who use boots to run their business with caution.
Definitely! We become too reliant and that’s what they want. Do you have a website now?
What an absolute nightmare, Etsy certainly isn’t what it used to be.
Recently I’ve had my shop made “not visible” in searches due to too many open orders (which came from offsite ads) and not dispatching them quick enough despite shipping over 50 orders per week and not going over due! It’s not the 1st issue I’ve had with them and I have My own website now and put 100% into that and use Etsy as a secondary platform.
My biggest issue is that they can just close shops and cut off someone’s income, we are all human beings behind these shops mainly mums just doing our best for our family and when they cut you off it’s devastating financially and more importantly it batters your mental health!
Yes! They have us over a barrel, I just hope this little blog will encourage just one person to set up a website and have a back up
It did. Thank you.
YAY! I’m so pleased!
That’s awful. I only use my easy store to offer downloads and have my kindness themed and eco friendly products on kindpreneurs.com and my handmade creations on http://www.consciouscrafties.com
I highly recommend them both.
Do you have your own website too?
Such a great article Emma and I was following your situation at the time and felt so upset for you. I am also working with Vicki Jakes At Way Out Far on my new website to run alongside my other web site as I totally agree don’t have all your eggs in one basket.
Vicki is amazing! Not sure where I’d be without her!
Your friend pointed me to this blog. The same has happened to me. I’m so frustrated I send them a message everyday asking for help! Its been two weeks, I did get one email, it was nothing to do with my suspension and was a general FAQ response. ?. Its been two weeks and like you say, it feels a life time!! I am currently setting up my own site, but so angry with esty especially as my business was just taking off and at this time of year too!! Raaaa
I’m so sorry you are going through this too 🙁 It does feel like such a life time! If I can help at all with your website please feel free to message me
Snap!! I was shut down on the 9th Nov and just had an email in response today, which looks like a bog standard email message. Gutted but afer 4 years, 7000+ sales and healthy 5 star reviews (not too mention the fees) it really does seem that seller support means nothing too them. Such a shame but its definitely been a huge learning step to focus my attention on my own website.
I’m so sorry to read this 🙁 I hope you can get it back but definitely get your attention on a website!!
I felt my stomach knot for you whilst reading this! It’s so stressful relying on platforms you can’t control and makes you realise how important your own website (that you manage yourself) is. I don’t sell on Etsy but know many people who do so will be sharing this with them. Thanks for the warning!
Thanks so much Molly, it really was such a scary time! If I can inspire just 1 person to build their own website I’ll be happy!
Thank you so much for sharing this. Im going through exactly this right now with a shop ive had for over a decade, im in between the tears and the being told shortly to shut up about it by them. Ive been trying to push my website but my income this month has taken a hugggge hit. I honestly thought there was nothing more to do about it i had no idea i could request further. Thank your friend profusely, thats the missing step to getting your shop back i think and i’m going to try it right away.
Hey Natalie, I wish you the very best of luck! Please do let me know how you get on! Emma
Hello Natalie, I was so sorry to read your story, as well as everyone else’s.
I had an Etsy store for a while but when all the new changes came in, I found the fees outweighed the profit, so it was no use continuing.
But if you have a large stock & have been with them for some considerable time, I can understand why you want answers.
Have you thought about sending them a solicitor’s letter, informing them that they have a specific time scale to reply to you with all of the details as to why your store was closed.
The might just wake up & pay attention to a Legal letter.
Best of luck. 🙂